Ben then confessed that he and his sister weren't willing to give James' number to their mom: "I directed her to the proper channel to begin communicating with him, but...you know." Howard asked Carly if she still loved James, and she said "Yeah" immediately – but balked at the idea of rekindling a romantic relationship. Ben confirmed: "At the end of their relationship, there were broken hearts...there was a lot of cheating." Carly said this conversation was new to her: "This is the first time [Ben and I have] talked about this."
Carly told the crew that she last saw James at their daughter's wedding, but since the wedding was at James' house (which she's banned from), she had to use a port-o-potty outside when she had to relieve herself. Ben admitted that James was probably at fault: "There's a coldness between the two that he initiates." Howard told Ben that the situation sounded more uncomfortable than he was letting on, and Ben agreed: "I feel like the reason people don't talk to him about it is because he's extraordinarily intimidating."